She is not shunned. Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. Hope this clears up some confusion. They called themselves Baptists because that was the best name they could choose to describe what they believed and the name identified them a Bible believing people. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? It is important to note too, that each Believer must be passionate about winning lost folks to Christ. Independent Church. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. Gossips offer plausible deniability. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Its ugly and frustrating. It is my conviction that this is contrary to the very foundation of what is a true New Testament church. Many churches were organized in the following years. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. This again cannot be proven from history. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. On the other hand, we are responsible for witnessing to people God brings our way. In order to distinguish between the doctrinally unsound Baptist churches and those that believed the Bible many Baptist churches changed their name. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. It became an independent church in 1746. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. He is not nearly as fundy as where I left from, and is learning. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. I cannot judge this man. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. Grace Independent Chapel Size: Medium church 126 Airport Rd Shamokin, PA. Loving Fellowship Baptist Church . If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. 2 talking about this. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. I will not post here again. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Omissions? Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. But not all Baptist churches are that way! There's only one way to heaven, and that . Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. This was the birth of Protestant churches. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. Corrections? No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. He had a few different views and was eventually censured (kicked-out) from the Presbyterian church in 1809, so he eventually started his own church. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. Such as The Church of Christ? You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. Not all IFB churches are this way. Separation is not the problem. BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. I humbly asked a question. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. God bless. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. Not just the New Testament. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. This would explain the abrasiveness with which you deliver what should be the most joyous information of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. I really have an issue with this point. If I wanted to wear a sponge bob costume while leading worship I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. I can certainly forgive you. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: It is an important part of the church. Im not sure about this one. We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. You have it backwards. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism.